The Amazing Human Battery

[stancheung75]

I was just reading some people posting about Reiki work on here. I
will be the first to admit I know very little about formal Reiki
healing. I have had a treatment and had experiencing a feel of warmth
and comfort. I think it's amazing stuff.

I really do believe that our bodies do have an amazing ability to
store and transmit energy. I know for a fact that the energy has the
ability to be healing or hurt.

Just like batteries our energy have a positive and negative charge. I
won't pretend to know to a lot about how this works. But I know it
does.

This is something I learned from the controversial George Dillman of
touch knockout fame. It's one of my favorite demonstrations about body
energy.

It started out when we were going through the Bunkai of the "karate
handshake". This is when a handshake is done while the left hand
hovers below the right forearm.

"What??? A bunkai for handshake?? You must be kidding." Nope
apparently there is a reason for this. It was because the American
soldiers that occupied Japan and Okinawa after WWII made handshaking
the form of greeting. A lot of the soldiers resented the Japanese for
Pearl Harbor. So when they shook hands they would squeeze the hands
till it almost broke. Regardless of gender or age.

Well they had enough of it. But couldn't really fight back. So they
used energy pain dampening. They would shake hands and placed their
opposite hand over top the forearm. But when they do this at first
they would put the hand underneath. This way the soldiers don't catch
on. Once the squeeze starts then they will place it up top.

When Dillman demonstrates this he uses one of Wally Jay's Small Circle
Jujitsu finger locks. He will do the move until the point of tapping
out. Then he would tell the Uki to place the hand on forearm. The
finger-lock gets placed again and there are no pain or at least very
dulled.
WARNING: DO NOT DO THIS ON YOUR OWN WITHOUT SUPERVISION.
This doesn't prevent the bones from breaking or the muscles from
tearing. This is just a pain nullification.

The explanation for this is due to energy charges in your body. We
are filled with it.

When someone is administering pain they are adding a electrical charge
to us. This move will ground the charge.

Sounds kinda "mumbo jumbo" right? I have demonstrated this to many
groups before. Including the Maryland Jedi Chapter. But let say for
the sake of argument that this is just some sort of body mechanic
explainable thing. There's another trick to this trick.

Negating the grounding move. So at this point the people are fairly
shocked by this demonstration. Dillman then goes on to explain
posture of the body also has different energy charges. That is why
internal martial arts and practices are so powerful. Chi Gong is a
series of energy recharging and waste dissipating postures as is yoga,
Tai Chi, Hsing-I, Bagua etc.

The ground reversal he would demonstrate the series of moves again.
Finger lock till tap out, energy ground then finger lock. All of a
sudden he would ask the uki if he feels anything. Then comes the most
sadistic grin across his face. The uki instantly feels all the
sensation shoot from the finger up through the arm registering in the
brain which might as well be mashed potatoes with the pain he's feeling at
this point.

How could this be??? We see the hand on the forearm. Did the Uki
place the hand there wrong??? No that wouldn't make any sense because
he was in the lock and felt nothing.

Then that smiling Karateka started to look up in the air acting
innocent. He then let us in on the secret. He simply lifted one heel
off the floor. Dillman explained that this causes the energy to
reverse polarities of the bodies energy. He wasn't in a Cat Stance.
Maybe then I could say that sinking down would cause a leverage on the
joints. He would play with the Uke for a while. By lifting and
lowering his heel to music only he can hear. I personally think it
was WE WILL ROCK YOU by QUEEN.:sFun_nahnahna:

So there you have it kids. A bit of proof about our bodies and
energy. I'm sure there are things that you would like to know. I
welcome it. But before that I would like to add a few things. George
Dillman and students has been featured on TV. You can look at the web
for stuff. Some may know him from the videos posted up about NO TOUCH
KNOCKOUTS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSzSflkns8). He is a very eccentric character with ton of charisma with
plenty of haters. I don't believe in everything he does. Only what I
have experienced first hand for myself. I have been Knocked Out and
revived by his student at a seminar with two touches that activated
pressure point. As far as touch KO's and Energy flow from the body
goes I can say for sure it's all good. I can't tell you about the no
touch knockout and "force push" he demonstrates.

I'm sure at some point the question about fighting application will
come up. In short there is none.

This demonstration was to help illustrate that body does store
cultivate and releases energy. It is some very fascinating stuff.
BTW if you're still looking for a fighting application. Try kicking
the attacker in the shins if they are squeezing your hand very hard.
Just make sure they don't end up with one heel lifted up. :p
Peace

[RyuJin]

the human body acts much like a capacitor and a generator....we generate loads of bio-electricity from our cells as well as static electricity from our skin. we can then store this energy or discharge it in a variety of ways. we can also generate (with some training) massive amounts of kinetic energy. just look at the breaking teams that travel around doing demonstrations...i've seen a 76 year old man drive 4 inch long spikes through a 2x4 using a hammerfist technique....my hammerfist is nowhere near that even though i can break a 2x4 with it i can't drive a nail without damaging my hand(i tried and spent a month with a swollen hand)...i spent 3 months in the brig doing experiments with energy manipulation on myself and learned quite a bit...with concentrated effort i can raise the temperature of my body no matter how cold the environment is, i found that when i do this in my hands then touch a sore part of my body the pain immediately dissipates no matter how severe it is...for headaches i focus on heating my fingertips then touch them to the point on my head where the pain is located and it gets relieved...
the fighting applications are very minimal since it requires considerable effort to channel the energy...in ninjutsu they have a group of techniques called "dim mak" or death touch....these are strikes to specific targets that disrupt the energy cycle or stop it completely...i won't name the locations for obvious safety reasons...i know of 8 but there are many more known to masters that have studied for much longer...i have seen dillman on several occassions, he even once appeared on ripley's believe it or not...

i feel that we can transmitt our energy into not only our opponents, and allies but weapons as well...i had 3 daito(wooden katanas). i gave 1 to each nephew i was teaching and kept 1 ...when we sparred i was on defense and had them attacking. their daitos shattered on contact with mine, and all i did was take the attack, i made no movement other then to raise the blade...however i did view the blade as part of me and not as a tool...i tried to explain this to them but they couldn't grasp the idea...

[Moonshadow]

I've seen and experienced Stan demonstrating this first hand and have to say it's some pretty cool stuff!

--Moonshadow

[Mindas Arran]

Hearing Dillman scramble for an explanation for why his "no touch knockout" didn't work should tell you everything you need to know about him (fraud) and this no-touch knockout stuff (nonsense). Any time these techniques are ever tried on someone NOT paying Dillman's tuition, it never seems to work... Tom "the stun gun" Cameron is another charlatan preaching this nonsense. He was outed on a news documentary also. He could KO his students, sure. But he couldn't KO the news reporter or the jujutsu students from a different dojo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI

There are no shortcuts or mystic secrets -- If you want to knock people out then you have to work for it like everyone else. haha

[stancheung75]

I can't really say for a definitive fact if it works or not. I haven't tried it so I have no stance on the issue. All I can say is that the body is an amazing machine. I don't know the capacity of everything it can do.
We can see a link that debunks some the stuff. Look up "Bullshido" on youtube.
Personally for me to believe or be disuaded. I have to experience it for myself. So no amount of wiki or youtube will change my opinion.

It would be cool if I could feel a no touch ko for myself.

I used to think the pressure point touch ko was a thing of nonsense till I felt it. But I can still see why people think that the uke is a plant from Dillmans camp. Putting on a performance. But I can assure you I'm not from there.

Yes he does sound a little "out there" during his interview explanation. But the best I could suggest is Check it out in person first. I know sometimes editing from tv interviews can distort perspective of things too.

BTW did you notice UFC fighter Stefan Bonner (sp) was one of the subjects for the no touch knockout? He didn't go down :)
His Ultimate Fighter season 1 finale agaisnt Forest Griffen was my favorite fight of all time.

[RyuJin]

you should watch "fight science" on national geographic....they test all sorts of martial arts myths and facts using scientific methods...one such test had a navy seal in a vat of ice water for over an hour and he was able to maintain his core temperature the whole time...they even had a demonstration of one of the dim mak strikes done on a crash dummy to measure the force and compression....2 inch compression with the equivalent force of a 45 mph crash....

[Mindas Arran]

they even had a demonstration of one of the dim mak strikes done on a crash dummy to measure the force and compression....2 inch compression with the equivalent force of a 45 mph crash....
That wasn't a dim mak strike, it was a knee to the chest from a Muay Thai fighter.

[Justaguy]

Hearing Dillman scramble for an explanation for why his "no touch knockout" didn't work should tell you everything you need to know about him (fraud) and this no-touch knockout stuff (nonsense). Any time these techniques are ever tried on someone NOT paying Dillman's tuition, it never seems to work... Tom "the stun gun" Cameron is another charlatan preaching this nonsense. He was outed on a news documentary also. He could KO his students, sure. But he couldn't KO the news reporter or the jujutsu students from a different dojo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI

There are no shortcuts or mystic secrets -- If you want to knock people out then you have to work for it like everyone else. haha

I remember that video. It was more hype than anything else. As a Tai Chi teacher once told me, If you want a pressure point knock-out. Hit them REALLY hard.:)

[stancheung75]

As a Tai Chi teacher once told me, If you want a pressure point knock-out. Hit them REALLY hard.:)
lol that is very funny

[Justaguy]

All joking aside. I'm very much in the same boat as Mindas. If these "knock-outs" worked on non-compliant opponents. I would put more credence into them, but the "victim" always seems to be a student.

[RyuJin]

i saw the muay thai episode, but that isn't the one i was talking about
there was another episode and they had a ninja demonstrating how they maintain balance using the lotus poles then later had the same ninja demonstrate the dim mak it was a hammerfist strike to the sternum. he also demonstrated a "watered down" strike to the inner arm of a live target.

the muay thai episode was when they were trying to determine which style had the most powerful technique. boxing, kung fu, tae kwon do, muay thai, and several others...kung fu had the weakest but fastest strike

[Mindas Arran]

You might be right... that does sound familiar. It's been a while since I checked it out.

[RyuJin]

i watch waaaaay too many educational/science/paranormal television shows....but i love to learn.....it doesn't even matter what the subject is ....in the last year or so my memory is finally returning to normal...as a carpenter a crane operator accidentally dropped a truss on my head from 30 feet up....while i didn't get knocked out from it i did suffer damage to my short term memory...i spent weeks not being able to remember anything new for more then a few seconds...fortunately i had already taken psychology and knew a few tricks to use to remember important things...everything prior to the accident was easy to recall, but after it i had to make considerable effort to force information into long term memory...it was during this time period that i saw these shows....so there is also the chance that i could be mixing episodes together....i remember one episode that had randy couture but i can't remember what he did in that episode...i think it was his grappling holds...it was before he beat tim silvia at 43years old...one tough old man

[RyuJin]

i remember the dim mak episode mainly because years ago i was taught the techniques but never used them nor saw them used and i wanted validation that i hadn't wasted my time in learning them....and like you i saw dillman stumble with the no hit knockout, however some of his techniques do work(the pressure point strikes/ aka atemi) most of these techniques are kind of universal in martial arts but have different names...

one explanation of why it works on his students and not others could be psychosymatic response to external stimuli or more simply the placebo effect, they believe it to work so it works....since skeptics don't believe or question it, it doesn't work on them... belief is a powerful thing it can heal and cure, it can destroy, but a lack of it does nothing at all

[stancheung75]

the muay thai episode was when they were trying to determine which style had the most powerful technique. boxing, kung fu, tae kwon do, muay thai, and several others...kung fu had the weakest but fastest strike

I saw that too. I personally had a problem with them defining what style had "the most (fill in the blank)" technique. Expecially since there was such a miss match of body sizes. The boxer (most powerful) was over six feet tall and about 230 lbs. The kung fu practicioner (fastest & weakest) was about 5"2 appox 140 lbs. Honestly. If they took any contest that involves strengh the boxer representative will always have an edge. The speed department will likely go to this Kung Fu guy most of the time.

I think a more fair way would be to get practicioners who are about the same size. But the body miss match totally made the whole experiment invalid in my opinion.

[Charles]

See I'd say the body miss match may be the nature of the styles also. That isn't to say that a really small fighter can't be a boxer (many are) or that a really big fighter can't use a Kung Fu style (I was a bit upset that only ONE style of Kung Fu was represented but eh, it's TV) but in practicality terms generally people go for a style that accentuates their frame or some aspect they are aiming for. I still think boxing would deliver more power overall, but a larger practitioner throwing the same/similar Kung Fu punches would start to approach similar levels of power. As an example on the heavy bag I can throw any number of punches and styles of punch and get similar results. I choose boxing because it lets me get the most out of EACH punch (it has very few flashing/nonessential movements) and it focuses on a good strong "Guarded" defense and less on deflection/parrying so I have more time to concentrate on delivering power. In my experience a lot of eastern art forms are more compact, so a more compact frame would benefit more greatly from them, and rely on high speed rapid point motions than pure stopping power.

In contrast, take a look at modern boxers vs classic boxers and you see a diverse style set ranging from "Power hitters" to "rapid strikers" and even styles that look amazingly like eastern style martial arts.

Also I think your over-guesstimating the height and weight on that boxer. I'd say he's around 200lbs but not over 6 feet tall. His advantage was weight, but more so, muscle mass. That may be the point though in all of this. The person who has trained harder, built a better core muscle foundation, and can link those muscles together will undoubtedly deliver a knockout punch.

Now the question next would be the quality of each punch thrown. Looking at the fighters in motion I'd say the Kung Fu style used was a LOW linking style for that punch. Meaning he was using only one or two types of movement to deliver power. The TKD punch was a bit better (and arguably close enough to the boxers punch in style and form that I could even give the weight difference the determining factor) the other styles shown though all fell more as a result of the muscle linking movements.

Notice in the Kung Fu practitioners punch that is basically just throwing an arm punch and using the force of his opposing arm to generate momentum, it's a weight shift but it's no real muscle rotation, no foot power, no real leg power, his stance doesn't shift much. In short his body weight is not behind his fist.

The karate punch was even worse, though thanks to weight may have rated higher, as the practitioner winds up (that ussualy reduces power honestly) and hits with his body more or less to the side of his punch and without a step. If anything he robbed some of his body weight from the punch and didn't gain any speed advantage. I'd rather be facing an opponent who hits like that then the Kung Fu guy, at least his punch was fairly fast.

The TKD guy jumps, hops, thows his body forward, and rotates his shoulder on the way in. It's not a perfect punch but I gotta say this, it's great body mechanics compared to the last two. His weight advantage is similar to the Karate fellas, and again still higher than the Kung Fu guy, and yet he scores a MUCH harder punch overall. Once the body weight was moving forward it was a matter of timing and connection.

The boxing punch launches forward, falls inward, spins the shoulder, and rotates the fist. All of this is generating force and momentum. True the increased body weight may help some, the increased muscle power certainly helps a great deal, but in the end the proper body mechanics would yield an improved punch on a smaller frame. I'd like to see what would happen if the Kung Fu fella was to throw that same punch. I'd be willing to even predict he'd get SIMILAR results to the boxer, maybe reduced because of weight but still much higher than his arm punches.

However, in contrast to all of this, each fighter and style is different. I've seen Kung Fu guys with great hip rotation and leg movement, I've seen boxers who can't throw a jab with authority, and I've seen Karate Guy's who can out kick TKD guys in terms of power and speed. A lot of it has to do with the application of a style as well as the musculature and hard work of the person performing the style.

I've have loved to see how the Wing Chun Straight Punch measures up in contrast to that static Kung Fu punch also, it's a much more body rotation based hit, I'd expect greater impact.

[Charles]

And with that in mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eylle0gO9Tk

Still not the worlds greatest punch, but the mechanics look better.

[RyuJin]

i definately think weight plays a factor but not a big factor...i think it's more technique then anything else....when i weighed 135 pounds i was sparring with guys that weighed 200+ pounds because the smaller students couldn't handle the punches...the expression "punching above your weight-class" or "heavy fisted" was often heard...this was due to mechanics in my opinion as i used full body rotation with every punch and kick...now that i weigh 230 pounds i have the same mechanics and with the added weight i see greater results then when i was younger, however i still believe it's the mechanics that cause it since i can throw a "shoulder punch" and it only moves the bag a couple of feet vs. the full swing it gets with body rotation....in the end we should have a variety of speed and power techniques since sometimes you don't have room or time for power techniques...

[Charles]

I'll agree partially there. However I think we always have some time to throw a hard punch IF that punch is getting it's power from forward movement and hip rotation OR upward movement and hip rotation. However I don't think we ever have time for a "Wind up swing" in any fight. A good punch by its nature should be snappy be it a jab, a cross, a hook, or an uppercut. It should be in and out with some speed. Likewise a poorly executed punch may have all the mechanics of a "good punch" but be over-exaggerated to the point of weakness.

Musashi writes in his book of 5 rings about the differences in sword size and how some schools favor a larger, or shorter, long sword. He states that the truth of combat is that one seems the middle range between the large and the small. As that applies to punches that means there comes a time when a punch is TOO powerful (and as a result slow and lumbering) or TOO Fast (lacking any impact).

Also keep in mind the rule of rotational ark when throwing a punch. As the fist moves further away from the body it actually looses power. The more compact the punch GENERALLY the greater the power (there are exceptions in a few punches).

And to contradict myself, I will say that yes keeping some good fast rapid speed punches on hand COULD be useful but only if they still have some stunning power.

[Mindas Arran]

I've have loved to see how the Wing Chun Straight Punch measures up in contrast to that static Kung Fu punch also, it's a much more body rotation based hit, I'd expect greater impact.
Wing Chun punches are notoriously underpowered because they use nothing but the tri's to drive the punch forward. Sometimes there is a slight shifting of the stance which helps a little, but by no means comes close to a solid punch. The idea of them chaining them together in the (in)famous "14 punches a second" is pure fantasy.

In the kung fu world the heavy hitters are the Choy Lay Fut guys. They have some full body rotation that really puts out some power. At the expense of being HUGE, rounded movements, of course.

In the end, it's just like your tool box. You don't want only screwdrivers, or only socket wrenches, or only hammers. You need a little of this and a little of that along with the knowledge of what tool to use and when.

[Justaguy]

The TKD guy jumps, hops, thows his body forward, and rotates his shoulder on the way in. It's not a perfect punch but I gotta say this, it's great body mechanics compared to the last two. His weight advantage is similar to the Karate fellas, and again still higher than the Kung Fu guy, and yet he scores a MUCH harder punch overall. Once the body weight was moving forward it was a matter of timing and connection.



That's because we're more interested in kicking someone. You know that.:)

[RyuJin]

the tool box analogy is a good one....some of every tool
i've never really been a fan of the big wind up strikes or the circular/arcing strikes...since the wind ups take too long and the circulars lose power...most of the techniques i use are very linear using lots of straight lines with proper rotation...not the flashiest to look at but thats not the purpose...it's meant to be effective and quick

[RyuJin]

on the other hand a well timed spinning technique can be devastating or evasive depending on use...for example in sparring i've flattened people with a spinning backfist and i've countered a cross punch with a spinning hook kick....timing is the key though...poor timing on those moves and your back is wide open, your off balance and out of position to defend

[Andy]

The only successful spin i have ever seen work was the spinning fail. Besides doing a doing a useless flurish, capoperia people are the only martial artists i have seen that can pull of spins in a fight. If you dont constantly drill spinning attacks like they do, best no do them.

[RyuJin]

true...of course my training routine isn't the standard dojo style routine....i only train in what works for me...and what works for me isn't always what works for others...

as i was driving around today a thought occurred to me...kung fu strikes, if you look at the mechanics of most styles, are more like a push then a strike....maybe it's just what i've observed

[Justaguy]

as i was driving around today a thought occurred to me...kung fu strikes, if you look at the mechanics of most styles, are more like a push then a strike....maybe it's just what i've observed

I think that may be attributed simply to a poor sense of timing. I've sparred with Mindas before. He likes to close the distance as you throw your strike. I'm used to stepping through with my strike. So, when we did spar. I had to make an adjustment on the fly and not step through. Others may not realize what is happening, and simply keep doing what amounts to a push, because they're not leaving enough room to "snap" their blow.
But, then again. Maybe I'm completely wrong. It won't be the first time......lol

[RyuJin]

closing the distance against a strike is a good way to negate power, i do that alot...usually i deliver a counterstrike as i close the distance....i was mainly thinking of the various open palm strikes that kung fu uses(i make use of several of them myself)...
i was always taught to aim past your target about 4 inches, too far past and you don't get enough extension, not far enough and you get too much extension

[Ro-Ha Til'leto]

The only successful spin i have ever seen work was the spinning fail. Besides doing a doing a useless flurish, capoeira people are the only martial artists i have seen that can pull of spins in a fight. If you dont constantly drill spinning attacks like they do, best no do them.
I agree, if you don't practice the spin (or any technique) constantly, then it will probably fail.

What strikes me about most Capoeira training is that capoeiristas are not intentionally making contact with their opponent. That's not to say contact isn't made when playing in the rota, but for the most part it is not intended. My amigo explains it to me like this: to demonstrate that you 'had them' with a technique is sufficient when playing. If you make contact with a strike or sweep them off balance, this invites them to do the same. Then, you have a fight.

[Ro-Ha Til'leto]

But I digress...

Happy New Year to all!




Ro in Rio
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