The Bible code and the Jedi

[Brandel Valico]

Well this post is mainly a result of a very odd moment. I was watching a show on the bible code. For those who don't know it's the idea that with a computer you can find words,names,dates and hidden codes within the bible showing the future or hidden knowledge about the past. Well out of my own oddity I found a copy of the program they use to do this searching of the bible.

Me I typed in the word Jedi.

I am currently after around 5 hours at 51% through the search and it's not looking good for us as so far no mention of the Jedi have been made. Of course this only matters for those who feel such things are real.

So I guess what I'm wondering is how many of you feel the code is real?

Also don't worry when it's done I'll let you know if it says anything about the Jedi

[RyuJin]

i've seen this show...they also have one involving the koran and several other religious texts...i think that in any volume of text large enough you're bound to find a reference of "significance" at some point...sometimes you have to adjust the code...

[jdmcowan]

Are you searching Hebrew text or an English translation? It would be fun to find a couple mentions of the Jedi in one of the 20 or so English translations. But it would be even more impressive in the Hebrew. How do you spell Jedi in Hebrew, anyway?

[Moonshadow]

I've always been fascinated with the idea of the Bible Code. I learned about it when I visited Israel over 10 years ago. Don't really have a strong opinion about it one way or another. I just look at it with an open mind.

I think the problem with searching for the word "Jedi," though, is that even if the concept of Jedi Realists were somewhere in the code, it's very unlikely that we would actually be referred to by that name. Both because of the issues around the English-Hebrew translation and because the word "Jedi" is completely fictional so the code might refer to us by using a different term. I also strongly believe that there is a global movement in consciousness going on, so "Jedi" might be lumped in with other consciousness movements.

--Moonshadow

[Brandel Valico]

I'm searching the hebrew. I doubt it will be there either Moonshadow. Like I said it was just an odd moment of idle curiosity and well since I had the program to do the search, I figured what the heck.

I do agree Jd it would be interesting to see what comes up if it does find it. Though as I said I doubt it will. I'm roughly around a third of the way through and so far still nothing. So we will wait and see.

*** Well it's all done finally and it would seem that the word Jedi is not in the Hebrew or English of the Bible. ***

[RyuJin]

in hebrew jedi would start with an H ....like jehovah starts with an h ....i've no clue how the rest of it would be spelled

[Ro-Ha Til'leto]

I saw this a while back, also. Equidistant Letter Sequencing method. It would be interesting to find 'Jedi' and other related words (like Sith, Darks Side, Force, Yoda, Vader) in the Torah.

For those who didn't see the show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

[Brandel Valico]

ג'אדי is a rough translation of Jedi in Hebrew

[jdmcowan]

RyuJin has a point, though he's got the wrong letter. The tetragrammaton should be read right to left and so the first letter is 'Y' (which the germans wrote with a 'J'). I belive many other names that we now say with a 'J' originally began with "yod" ('Y') in hebrew (like Joshua, Joseph, etc.) So I would think you should look for yod-dalet? It looks like you've got aleph-dalet. Am I mistaken in my reading or my theory?

Jeremy

[Coragus Corvus]

i've seen this show...they also have one involving the koran and several other religious texts...i think that in any volume of text large enough you're bound to find a reference of "significance" at some point...sometimes you have to adjust the code...

Quoted for truth. The "bible code" phenomenon has been repeated with such classics as War and Peace and Moby Dick, an no one claims those texts are divinely inspired.

[RyuJin]

lol ...i was actually guessing on that letter based on a movie....looks like both me and the movie got it wrong eh...

[RyuJin]

Quoted for truth. The "bible code" phenomenon has been repeated with such classics as War and Peace and Moby Dick, an no one claims those texts are divinely inspired.

i scored high on the coding portion of the asvab and most of my friends in the navy were cryptologic technicians so i learned some about codes, not as much as i'd like to have learned but the bible code was a topic of frequent discussion with them...

[Brandel Valico]

Not sure of my translation either. When I did the search I just let the program do it for me. For the post here I went from memory and to be fair it's been several years since I did any actual translations of Hebrew.

Here is an actual Hebrew copy of the old Return of the Jedi book though just because well it's kind of cool. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270364493295

[Ro-Ha Til'leto]

i scored high on the coding portion of the asvab and most of my friends in the navy were cryptologic technicians so i learned some about codes, not as much as i'd like to have learned but the bible code was a topic of frequent discussion with them...
What did you do in the Navy?

[RyuJin]

lol my actual rate was sk(store keeper)i ran 3 warehouses, however being the only single male in my department(of 78 people, most were pregnant women)i had several co-lateral duties...i was the departments computer security officer so i spent several hours a day going around to all the computers in the department looking for any classified material that they weren't suppose to have, which occassionally involved me having to crack passwords...that got really easy once you know the basics...i was a delivery driver and would occassionally have to deliver top secret items/documents so i had to go through the somewhat thorough background check....i also had to serve on the base's specops team (basically it was swat) they put me through all sorts of training most of which i can't use as a civilian...there were days when i wondered if i could actually just do my rate and take some time off...on average i only actually worked in my rate 2 1/2 days a week the rest of the week i was doing co-lateral duties....i spent most of my time in the navy on guam at the base where echelon has all the antenna arrays....i wasn't too happy to see that base on nat. geo. 3 years after i got out knowing that all the pics i took when stationed there (none of which had sensitive equipment in them) were confiscated....i wish i had some of those pics just to show people the beauty of the island...i wouldn't mind going back to visit some time...i had lots of fun on all the various beaches, and the waterfalls, and caves, and historic sites

[Moonshadow]

ג'אדי is a rough translation of Jedi in Hebrew

RyuJin has a point, though he's got the wrong letter. The tetragrammaton should be read right to left and so the first letter is 'Y' (which the germans wrote with a 'J'). I belive many other names that we now say with a 'J' originally began with "yod" ('Y') in hebrew (like Joshua, Joseph, etc.) So I would think you should look for yod-dalet? It looks like you've got aleph-dalet. Am I mistaken in my reading or my theory?

Jeremy

I think Jeremy is on the right track. The "J" would more likely be represented by a yod rather than a gimmel because a gimmel is a hard "G" sound and the soft "J" would more likely be translated as a "Y" sound in Hebrew. Not sure if the aleph would be in there or not since it's usually silent unless given a sound by a vowel. So it may or may not be needed to create the "ed" sound before the D or dalet.

--Moonshadow

[jdmcowan]

Here is an actual Hebrew copy of the old Return of the Jedi book though just because well it's kind of cool. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270364493295

Interesting. That book uses a gimel with a geresh for the 'J' sound. I didn't know such a thing existed. And I'm sure it didn't in biblical times. So I'd still go with "yod" when looking in bible code.

Jeremy

[jdmcowan]

Whoops. Looking now at Moonshadow's post, I see that I somehow missed the gimel with geresh in Brandel's post. I think they were not using niqqud in biblical times and there is only one vowel sound after the yod, so I'm pretty confident the aleph would not have been in there.

Jeremy

[Moonshadow]

LOL. I had no idea what a geresh was either until I just looked it up. I don't think they ever covered that in Hebrew School. :p I thought it was another yod and was trying to figure out why it looked so different from the other yod. :p

That book does look really cool. I would buy it if it weren't so pricey. I bought all the original trilogy books in French to help motivate me to study, but never thought to try to read them in Hebrew.

I guess the question then is do we go with the modern spelling, or what the spelling might have been in biblical times if the word "Jedi" actually existed. I think I would opt for the more ancient style spelling. I also asked my uncle how he thinks it would be spelled since he speaks fluent Hebrew. I'll let you know what he says.

--Moonshadow

[Moonshadow]

I think it's also important to think about the 3 letter root of the word since that's what contains the essence of its meaning. It would definitely be interesting to learn what meaning the Hebrew root of the word Jedi contains.

--Moonshadow

[RyuJin]

rofl....it's like i'm reading chinese through all these linguistics lessons....as good as i scored in english comp1 and comp2 i don't have the slightest idea what's being said..so i'll just smile pretty and nod my head like i know what's going on :)

[stancheung75]

I'm with you. I find it all so cool. It's great that our group has so many multi lingual members. I totally love it. I only can keep up with very little bit of it because I learned the aleph bet song in middle school.

But it's so over my head because we never learned what sound the characters make.

I'm in awe our group

[jdmcowan]

When you say 3-letter root, do you mean yod-dalet-yod?

[jdmcowan]

It is great to have such a diverse group. What ever wierd interest you have, there's someone willing to discuss it with you. I never imagined I would ever find people who would be interested in discussing how ancient hebrew might spell the word Jedi.

[RyuJin]

it's kinda funny....i've taken several i.q. tests and according to the kinsey institute i'm pretty smart...i have a 3.28 gpa in college...my personality profile lists me as an InTJ type personality and yet some of these linguistic threads make me feel like a preschooler...lol...in fairness though the sections of the i.q. tests i scored highest in were visual/spatial, followed by spelling, then reading comprehension, sentence structure, arithmetic, and following in dead last was advanced math....my transcript is proof of those skills....all my AutoCAD classes are 4.0gpa my english classes were 4.0 for comp1 and 3.8 for comp2 and then the amazing 0.0 for college algebra 3 times in a row :(

[Moonshadow]

When you say 3-letter root, do you mean yod-dalet-yod?

Yep, although the root would depend on how we ultimately decide to spell it.

My uncle got back to me and originally gave me the following spelling:

ג'דאי - gimmel (with the geresh) - alef - yod

But then he said he looked "Jedi" up in the Hebrew wikipedia (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%93%D7%A8_%D7%94%D7%92%27%D7%93%D7% 99%D7%99) and found the following:

ג'דיי - gimmel (with the geresh) - yod - yod

I also looked it up in "How to say in" (http://www.howtosayin.com/say/hebrew/Jedi.html) and found the same spelling.

ג'דיי - gimmel (with the geresh) - yod - yod

My uncle also said the following in regards to root meanings:

* for Gimel Dalet Yod --> Bayby Goat (I think that was a typo and he meant "baby goat")
* for Yod Dalet (Yod) --> (My) Hand

Btw, what Bible Code program are you using, Brandel? Happen to have a link?

--Moonshadow

[jdmcowan]

I think you're missing some dalets (in the Hebrew of your uncles first guess and in the written out form of all the versions). I think we're running into a lot of problems of comparing modern Hebrew to Biblical Hebrew. With the absence of geresh and the aversion to marking vowels, my current thinking on how Biblical Hebrew would have written it is yod-dalet-yod. We need to find a biblical scholar to confirm.

Jeremy

[Moonshadow]

Thanks for catching that. I had a lot of trouble with the copy paste because it actually reversed the type in my reply box, switching it from left to right like English to right to left like Hebrew. Incredibly disorienting when what I was trying to type and delete kept switching directions. :p I edited my post to add the dalet back in.

I agree with the yod-dalet-yod spelling being most likely. I think the root word "my hand" would also make much more sense as opposed to "baby goat." :p Who knows, maybe it could even be considered foreshadowing. ;)

--Moonshadow

[Brandel Valico]

"Bible Code Oracle" is the program I used. It lets you type the word into a search field in English and then does the convert to Hebrew and searches both in English and Hebrew. You get 10 free searches as a trial basis. Though keep in mind that it is a windows exe file so if you run Linux like me or a Mac you will need to run it in a Virtual Machine to use it.

I believe I got it from here http://3d2f.com/programs/18-381-bible-code-oracle-download.shtml

[Moonshadow]

Thanks!

--Moonshadow

[Darth Jediforever!]

I believe that you guys are looking at it all wrong, we must look at the text much as a jedi master would! he would not just look at the text and take it so plainly, within the written word is found many secrets, we as the jedi should know this!

[Setanaoko]

Personally, I don't believe in the Bible Code. I believe that there are many things that the Bible have hidden in it's text, but that's stuff you need to read between the lines on. Or better yet, just READ the Bible.

Many people do not actually read the Bible, they just follow what their Pastors/Preachers say, learn the stories and then let the Pastor/Preacher decide what they mean. That drives me up the wall. If you really want to know what the Bible says, and what it means, all you need to do is read it and research the material yourself. Let God open your eyes to the truth, not the church leader.

Just me though.

[Zaron]

not just you setanaoko I think the same thing which is why I quit going to church. The bible is a tricky thing to understand for me at least and so I alow myself to see what it is talking about in real life. So much easier plus you learn from it better

[Mindas Arran]

Let God open your eyes to the truth, not the church leader.
Why not let "god" just open your eyes to the truth directly? No church and no book required.

[Setanaoko]

Well that's another option. Of course, some people enjoy reading the book. I look to it for historical points and then also to see exactly what it is that actually is being told to us. For example, it says not to do magick...well why? What is the difference between what God did and what the witch of Endor did?

The Bible does a good job of defining things when you read closer or even between the lines. It's a starting place, but certainly not the ending.

[RyuJin]

[QUOTE=Setanaoko;2270] For example, it says not to do magick...well why? What is the difference between what God did and what the witch of Endor did?[QUOTE]

finally someone else that pointed that out....i used to get shunned by all the christians when i was in high school for mentioning that what god did was a form of magick....

[Zaron]

Huh never though about that. God using magick. It is defentally not something most churches like to teach.

[jdmcowan]

Simply put, magic does come from God, and it upsets him when it is used without that recognition, or even worse, being attributed to some other entitiy. There is not such a big difference between the powers of faith and magic, but there is a huge difference in saying that the powers come from God or come from our own person or another diety.

Jeremy

[SilverMoonfire]

Check a little further back about the time of Atlantis called the pherliet "ones who know"