Big problem

[SilverMoonfire]

I dont know where to begin with this, i am having alot of trubble with doplegagers; people who dont have a clue about magic or the force, my family has ripped its self to peaces from it, i have been tourn from force before as a child by my mother; believeing i was too christian. One of the threds explained iso-chronic tones, i like them the only trubble i have is my brothers; both where rased as only children, the Canadian government split us up now both brothers have gotten into doplegager, and heathen craft. I am being sucked dry of my mitochondriens and my force abilitys, i know this is long but i have joind the Order of the Jedi Canadian chapter, it dosent seem like anything but my eastern philosphy is irish druid, and shaolin monk, (no human sacrafices please). Thease two and others have been ripping the universe apart, how does one protect ones self when he / she gets foiled from enlightenment and force abilities? thease people have been acting like sith lords through the force no bluff; its not just from Canada, i am a little concerned that they may be a thret to any jedi thay find, / to any one as well as thease individs may end up manafesting this problem in the materialistic world (living), some of thease individs do use drugs to power thear enlightenment, ( E ) being one i am at a loss on this.

[Andy]

you should talk to mindas or charles lightningstrike.

[RyuJin]

that's a tough one...it's not something i've experienced...here in florida they have a group of "psychic vampires" they feed off the spiritual energy of others...though not without permission...or at least that's the rule their coven founder set...they have techniques that keep others from feeding off them....some psychics use visualization to create a mental barrier that shields them...some simply deny the connection...it' like when your modem wants to connect to another to download data and the server denies your connection so you can't download...of course as i mentioned i've never had anyone try to leech energy from me...or at least i don't think i have...if they tried then i never noticed any loss

[Setanaoko]

Catanna Sarine went to a couple of meetings at the Canadian Jedi Church. She wasn't impressed.

Drugs...that's an issue-if you look to where Zarcon asked about it (an unusual question), you will find why I don't endorse the use of drugs for such things.

If it is a mentor you are looking for to help you combat such things, Andy's list is a good one, I would like to add my name to that list though.

If "the Force"/God/Divine moves you to speak with me on the matter, then shoot me an e-mail at setanaokomgiva@hotmail.com.

::bows:: May the Force be with you,
Alethea Jolene Thompson (formerly Benton)

[Zaron]

ah here we go again. This is happening all over the place some places more then other and there appers to be no way to stop them or at least I have not found one except for fighting back which really get tiring and stops me from helping those in need

[Zaron]

All respect to you A.R. but if we just stand our ground who is going to stop them? Just a little while ago I learned that we have to do something and if like QuiGonGen said they are messing with his family. This remindes me of how the sith stayed hidden for thousands of years in the star wars universe and it turned out that the one's who were not paranoid had already lost. I am not saying that there is this huge sith thing going on or anything, to tel you the truth I doudt it but who knows. I am not trying to be another Kyp Durron or something but I have learned to fight back and just to say if they were practicing why would they be messing with us? I wil admit that I have a lack of knowlege about these type of things and would be happy to learn more Yes I understand that threetime more comes back but in my mind it is worth it. Maybe this is way off but from I understand of the jedi our responsibilty is to help out where we can and if it is hurting a whole family and not just one person on person can deal with it alone but tearing apart a whole family that is messed up. I know that the jedi are not warriors, just watched episode 2 a few days ago, but we are guardians of the peace right? Then quoting anakin episode 2 "it is in our mandate to find out who is hurting her" Speaking to obi-wan when first talking to padme about assantation and if I may add on "to stop them"

not trying to chalange anybody belifes or anything and all do respect once again and if I am wrong then I ask for forgiveness and I will galdly retract my statement. But I have been taught to speak my mind.

bows

May the force be with us and may we be with the force

[RyuJin]

but it must be remembered that as anakin said that he was over run with emotion, and attachment bordering on to obsession....i'm not saying nothing should be done, simply that one should gather as much info as possible and properly planning a course of action before acting in haste

[AdamGolfer]

There are a lot of things that can happen in life that give this same kind of feeling. Most of the time and personally I would venture to say almost every time it has nothing to do with any attack but rather things that are going on within your own life that are causing you to feel the way you do.

[Kitsu Tails]

There are a lot of things that can happen in life that give this same kind of feeling. Most of the time and personally I would venture to say almost every time it has nothing to do with any attack but rather things that are going on within your own life that are causing you to feel the way you do.

I'm in agreement with Adam on this one...

[Charles]

Just got pointed over here. I'm going to ask a few questions.

#1) Are you experiencing physical pain or MAJOR discomfort from said attacks?

#2) Are you certain it's a Doppleganger and not some other form of thought projection?

#3) Are you certain it's not just a change in the ambient energy?

#4) Have you checked your blood pressure, heart rate, and other factors to make sure your not misinterpreting a physical change?

See the thing is, people DO make use of psychic attacks. However MOST people aren't very good at it and generally EVERYONE gives up doing it eventually cause it's not worth the amount of time/energy/focus it takes. Even those who are good at it, and are doing it, will eventually stop if you can ground yourself, deflect their energy, ground their energy, or even just raise your own level of energy so that they are not a significant factor. Do some hard Chi Kun exercises, or even some running, martial arts (so long as its fast and furious) can also be a cleansing exercise. Crystals are a good "immediate" relief when using the right crystal but honestly the best way to take any kind of hit be it physical or spiritual is to have built yourself up enough so you know that the hit doesn't matter.

They say so as above so as below, well if your having trouble with above then surely doing some stuff below will help in influencing the above because the converse would hold true.

Furthermore, someone may be draining your Force, but I've seen no evidence of midichlorians so likely your safe there.

Ultimately I think what it is as I have said to others, sometimes you go so far that the spiritual is more real to you than the physical. When this happens you must ground yourself or risk becoming lost.

I've been lost before, for what it's worth it's no fun, the spiritual has a huge impact on the physical but never forget the physical has JUST AS MUCH an impact on the spiritual. Take some time out for a long walk, lift some weights, get your mind off it and see if it doesn't improve.

[Myrrden]

Actually, a curse is far easier for achieving the effects that you seem to be describing.

If someone were psychically trying to attack you, then it would continually drain them, unless they were exceptionally skilled and experienced.

However, if someone were to curse you, even as a first wave attack, then you would expend your own energy trying to defend against it. The problem is that a well-designed curse will not be what actually causes you harm, but rather that it tricks you into pushing out energy trying to protect yourself, while wearing yourself down. Basically, you're fighting against a self-induced illusion to the point that you become far more vulnerable than you were before.

As Charles suggested, what you probably need to do is just ground yourself and work on building your own energy levels back up. Even if it's someone who is trying to psychically attack you, then you'll only serve to exhaust them.

[Zaron]

Alright I will admit once again. I have NO where as near experiance in this as some of you seem too be that studing or fighting. Do to that I wil listen to you guys on this one because it seems that what I have been dealing with is just child's play. It might be just my abusive upbringing and being tired of ALWAYS being on the defensive but I still belive that if we stay on the defensive for too long we will eventually grow to lazy or weak to even do anything of any importance. Curse's are still a somewhat mystery to me but I am trying to learn as much as possible about them. Like I said I am tired of all ways being on the defensive even with my belife in the sorsuru philosipy first it was I was to young and now I am to unexperianced. I bow out of this one and hope that the one who started this can speak for himself. I wish all you the best luck with figuring how to deal with this. I will do my best to learn more about this as suggested.

May the force be with us and may we be with the force

[RyuJin]

zaron, i know how you feel. i had a very abusive childhood myself...i used it to learn that i had to make myself stronger so that i could let go of the past and move forward. if you hold on to the pain of the past it will drag you down and leave you drained...i know that it can seem impossible to let go, but it's not. we all have our own personal demons we have to defeat in order to become stronger...once this is accomplished you will find that those who mean to do you harm can no longer harm you. they will seem powerless in your presence, then you will see why we do not worry...those that turn to the darkness and use it do so because they are too weak to turn away from it....my suggestion would be to meditate and focus on developing your personal shield once you can shield yourself you will be able to shield others :)

[Zaron]

Thanks RyuJin it's great to know that i am not the only one struggiling with the chains of the past. I don't interly know about people only using the dark side and staying their because they are to weak I belive some people love to use it and do so on purpose. It think it is time for QuigonGen to step in here. Somehow this has gone from his problem to mine???? :)

May the force be with us and may we be with the force

[AstaSophi]

I'm kind of a newbie to the esoteric - I am a skeptic - but I am also not going to deny what limited experience I've had with what science cannot yet explain.

I wrote a blog here - in fact it was in great part due to this incident that made me decide to return to the Jedi Community - called "A Rap On The Window".

Personally - I think you should do some study on "protection" and even calling on "guardians" and other energy/Force study. There is a lot of information out there - including at the Institute For Jedi Realist Studies and other sites - and of course - other Jedi.

I don't want unhealthy psychic garbage around me. I don't find it fun or interesting. I do what I can to make it gone ASAP and stay gone.

The big thing as some have said is not to give into fear. Or unreality. Get active and do some searching for knowledge... Then I agree - be assertive. Get the problem gone.

[Zaron]

I already know alot about protection. I have been using it all my life. I also belive in guardians I personally like dragons and wolves the dragon was my childhodd protection that my mom gave me and the wolf is my new one that came to me.

[RyuJin]

belief in something is by far the most powerful tool anyone can have....absolute belief can accomplish anything, while wavering belief accomplishes nothing...when it comes to spiritual/psychic defense you must absolutely believe in your defense for it to work. it also doesn't hurt to know several methods of defense...as for me i have absolutely no doubts about my defenses, i've learned meditative defenses, as well as had a wiccan friend teach me several protective charms, though my normal defenses are more than adequate it's still good to have an "ace in the hole" so to speak...

i've seen many things science has yet to explain, and have seen things that can be explained. i've studied supernatural phenomena ie: ghosts,demonology,poltergiests, also studied psychic phenomena ie: esp(clairevoyance,clairaudience), telepathy, telekinesis(and all variances of it),remote viewing...i figure it doesn't hurt to know how to defend against this stuff since it hasn't been completely disproven...even had my wiccan friend teach me stuff...of course i still have no intention of going around skyclad once a month :D

the above is not aimed at anyone in particular simply placed for informative purposes

[RyuJin]

they mentioned a little about prayer in a science article i read on "the placebo effect"...i've read several on the placebo effect...it's one of the key reasons i keep circling back to everything boiling down to belief....in the study they were able to successfully replicate effects over 75% of the time between placebo vs. actual meds(meaning placebo users had the same results as those using the actual meds)

[Myrrden]

I've seen studies where they collected the names of people who were all suffering from the same illness. Half of these names were then distributed randomly to people who were asked to pray for them to get well. The other half were treated in the exact same manner, without the prayer. Those who were prayed for actually did heal quite a bit faster. They were able to prove its effectiveness, but not why or how it works.

The placebo effect is real, but it only works on the person who believes it, not someone who isn't aware of what's going on.

However, as I said in my previous post, a well designed curse works by making you literally attack yourself by trying to defend an attack that's not there. It's the same as the placebo effect. You convince the person that they've been cursed and are being attacked, so they expend their energy by going overboard trying to protect themselves and worrying that they may not be able to. This weakens them down for a secondary attack.

[RyuJin]

belief is truly a powerful tool,
i have no doubts about the effects of prayers, meditation, or focus of intent as i've witnessed some of these...mostly focus of intent and meditation as i'm not christian

[SilverMoonfire]

So the problem has settles down but i have lost alot of mental information as i contemplate the "universe" i can feel the end result of my thoughts being taken from me most of it has to do with the contemplation of jediisum and reality i am doing what is knowen as self dictation writeing a book of wisdom in my own words from my contemplation of the neutreal occult its called Book of wisdom, Jedi book of shadows; it explains what the jedi are, the understanding of the jedi, what they stand for, meditation, the force as a religious neutreal, force ability, and tools of the traide. as clearvoyant as i am i can see this man with dull orange hair explaining to me "you can forget it" acting like luke skywalkers step father about the acadimy in starwars five return of the jedi its the most annoying thing when i am trying to learn from my dictations.

[Master Alex Winward]

I agree with RyuJin, we should keep an eye out an gather as much info as we can before actually takin steps,(if needed),ta stop um, in the mean time, all we can do if one o us sees it happenin, or whatever, try ta minimize the impact as possible

[Setanaoko]

Having used the craft before, and delving into the "darker" side of it-it wasn't that I got bored or anything. In fact, I was considered pretty good at what I did (>.>). What got me out of it, was some realizations that what I was doing wasn't benefiting anyone, let alone myself. I dislodged myself from the madness and found peace elsewhere.

Your brothers need to find this out on their own. No amount of help you give them will be able to "save" them. It has to be in their own time. In the meantime-I agree with A.R. :Shields up.

[Master Alex Winward]

Havin spent time on both the "Light an the Dark"-Sides, i can honestly say that both sides have valid points an arguments, as the world itself is full o those lil "grey areas" an nuthin is truly "good or evil, light or dark, black or white". Me personally, I am a "Light-Jedi" *usin the followin terms in a philosophical sense*at heart, mind an soul, but I am truly Shadow or Grey-Jedi, meanin that while I may use a "dark" action, my intentions are always "Light"

[RyuJin]

i think a large number of us fall into that ginormous gray/grey area

[Master Alex Winward]

that is true, however, I have seen many who strive fer the goal o bein "true" Light-Jedi, an that my friend is a good thing.

[SilverMoonfire]

Thank you for your help, and advice i think i will allow carma to handle this; the paranoi seem to run high with thease individ(s), its true the more i do the werse it seems on my behalf, becouse its an outter world problem. It makes me look like a paranoid; becouse its only happening to me, since i posted this problem; things now have settled down they believed i was role playing as luke skywalker so they tryed to act like his father "I told you to forget it" (brain suck) even thoe i do look up to his persona in the movie i am more into Quigon, Obiyone, and yoda.